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Sure you need a product to shop around
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In theory, a single person could market one's recorded songs solely online and make a very good living. There are approximately 8 billion people on the planet; you would only need a tiny fraction of those that would pay $1 each time you uploaded a song. You don't need a "record company" or "label" and all the rest that goes with it. Just go direct to the people who will pay for your music. No touring needed, unless you want to. Today this is very possible. I'm not saying it's easy, just very possible.
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Spotify has well over 100,000+ uploads per day. soundcloud is more. so, you have a .001% chance of making it in on the feed. Let's say on the off chance the algorithm gods favor your one track. You have 10 seconds to grab enough people attention to push it forward. and there is still no guarantee that somebody who can stream it for free will pay you the $1 you think you are going to get. Actually, Spotify pays the artist $0.003 - $0.005 per stream. you would need 200 - 300 stream to make money.
You could go the self-promotion route, but that still takes more time, and there is still no guarantee that these 8 billion people whom a majority would rather stream Taylor Swift, Adele, Bruno Mars, etc. rather than some indie artist sitting in his bedroom recording his pulse or art on an iPhone. So realistically at most, if you're lucky, is maybe 100 - 1000 listeners and that's being generous. that's still a 1% - .1% chance that if they listen to 10 seconds of your song, going to grab their attention to pay you the $1. Let's say for shits and giggles you manage to grab the attention of 100 people. you will not get 100%. of those 100. at best you may get 20%. or $20 :)
And all of that is predicated on the fact that your tracks are 100% clean. the track cannot sound like it was done in a bedroom. which is what a DAW is useful for, which interestingly enough, runs on a computer, to clean up bedroom sounding tracks and make them professional sounding, that's what the professional use.
Is it possible? anything is possible. is it probable. not likely, but hey, that's what dreams are for 😀
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You could set up a website where you sell each song for $1. Then you do marketing such as marketing to particular groups of people who like your music. People will pay for music if they like it. Not everyone is streaming. You can reach a critical mass of buyers where you could be selling thousands of your songs a day. The world is huge and there are all kinds of people who like different things and will pay for it. Marketing is not at all like creating, recording and playing music; that's fun. Marketing is boring, tedious and involves long hours but it is essential if you want to make living from it. Waiting for a "label" to discover you is the old way and in my opinion a very low chance of happening , regardless of how good your music is. With your own marketing you create your future.
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You have that already, Rob. you have your YouTube channel for roughly 10 years, maybe longer. But what's telling is that you have only 104 followers and most of your videos have 0 likes. I'm not trying to be insulting, just presenting facts. In one video the hissing was so bad, that it drowned out the music. Not sure if that was by design or just a bad recording, if that recording hasn't generated any likes in 10 years, then even if you get the website up and running, optimized your SEO, figured out your marketing plan, then it will be all for nought because the sound quality of the video is poor.
I don't think you fully understand what marketing is. it's a full-time job, and it can get expensive. When I first started my freelancing, I spent the first 6 months doing nothing but coming up with a marketing plan, then cold calling every morning, local business, etc. making sure that my website was optimized so that the search engined picked it up. then checking the job boards, submitting proposals. I did very little programming. Now it's worse, because you have the various social media platforms, which you need to be active on to generate enough of a following to generate enough income from your music to cover your ROI, which could take years.
Which means 80% of your working hours needs to be spent on the various social media platform and 20% working on music., worse if you work full-time. I was fortunate enough to be vetted at my job when I quit and started my business, so I could use that income to support myself until it got up and running, which took about a year before I was making a profit. But the marketing didn't stop.
At the end of the day, if your recordings are poor quality, then none of it matters.
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Without touring ? You're dreaming . Here's your loss on your first Suno song.... 10 bucks
What you should next is find a great guitar player and you 2 record this in a studio
Then you open a YouTube page and FB and promote the song
you just walked in the music business . you will be loved and hated so get tough skin . There's some real strange people out there and you will talk to them
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https://www.youtube.com/@ElvisNash/videos
That is what you will create
And to lighten the mood.. Jerry Sienfield said to another comedian . I stink you stink . so go out there and stink like the rest of us
Here is one more wise place for you . You can learn the real business world of music
And how it basically works , by talking to real publishers. Not fantasy people
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if you get a hit song I expect 100k .I take Zelle
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you don't need a publisher to sell your music. I can put my songs up on bandcamp, soundcloud or audius and sell them for a dollar, that's essentially what rob is talking about, you only need a publisher if you're pitching to major artist or tv. I can setup an account with distrokid and have my songs distributed on all the major platforms.
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Why would band camp sell a Ai song
It’s not even the artist
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Rob isn't talking about selling AI music. Rob is talking about selling his own music. AI isn't the only digital music out there. AI music is a small fraction. And the songs I'm talking about are the ones that I will be creating on my own in Logic Pro, not my suno tracks
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Did he better get a real professional recording to sell for a dollar?0
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Don't know. but that's what he needs to do is go through his catalog and clean up his current tracks.
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Believe it or not everyone is your competition... to compete he needs a kick ass pro recording . it will cost him 300 if he sings it . pro guitar player . maybe 400. depends on area he is from
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All he needs to do is pull his tracks into a DAW and clean them up. That's what Steve Wilson does. He takes bad tracks and cleans them up. None of that matters if Rob can't objectively look at his catalog and clearly identify which tracks are working or not. At this point, this thread is pretty much dead as ultimately, it's up to Rob. The market will be his guide.
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Yup , dead move on I gave enough pro advise
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I'm not marketing my music at all. I just have a lot, more than a lot actually, of "rough sketches" I did over many years. I know marketing. I won't say I am an expert, but I have worked with the "experts" and have succeeded where they have not. Through my marketing I met one of the richest, most famous families in the world. They offered me an executive (marketing) position with their company. I declined because I was doing more than all right at the time and didn't want to answer to anyone. If you had to work 6 months to get a website indexed by major search engines then something is wrong. It should automically index high up in the rankings based on the hoster and how your website "explains" itself.
Good marketing is target marketing and doesn't have to be a full-time job, but I agree it can be and can also be a black hole. If you can find a particular group who likes your sound and has a little money to spend then I believe you can earn a good living. I think one school in Asia found one of my songs and used it as part of a lesson on how to be nice to people. In theory I could market to schools worldwide and sell hundreds of thousands of copies of that one song.
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Welp rob, at this point my care factor remains at 0. None of that I could give a shit about. you sound like you're a legend in your own mind.
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I gave you pro advise . Your like my men that work for me and don't listen to nothing
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If rob was so successful musically, his YouTube channel would have more than 104 followers, and he wouldn't be on a songwriting forum trying to convince himself of his brilliance :) 😂
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A 'legend in my own mind' is exactly right. Let me tell you, the concerts in there are sold out every night! I’m working on bringing that crowd into the real world eventually.
The truth is, true success isn't about the 104 people watching you now; it's about the one person who refuses to quit when the room feels empty. And for someone with a 'care factor of 0,' you've spent a lot of time counting my fans.
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You're probably just better doing AI songs . I've tried to convince a few people to put the work in recording studios
But for whatever reason they stick to pushing buttons . So have some fun the biggee
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A recording studio is one solution. A DAW is another solution, both a means to the same end.
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Not really , you are isolated at home . Studios you have a producer to work with and session players to mingle with , it's a bit of a social club . Most home studio guys do not have the commercial chops to produce a radio ready song. A good producer will study trends and new ideas . Thats why you pay them , simple economics on a better product .
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Home studio guys don’t have commercial chops? How do you think the majority of EDM is produced? You’d be shocked how many charting songs today never see a traditional studio. The industry has shifted — most modern production happens in bedrooms, small rooms, and laptops. There will come a time when big studios are the exception, not the rule.
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I'm talking mostly country music , I don't venture into EDM and how there producing them Bill . I like the feeling of studios
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I get that. When my friend was starting his band and set up a studio in his den. it was fun to hang out and watch them practice. None of them really had money for actual studio time, but they made it work.
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Advantage of using paid session players, as they kind of know what’s going on with the trends to try to make your song sound pretty current0
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I think EDM is mostly produced with computer instruments and a vocalist using autotune, but I’m not an expert in the genre0
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depends on the track, most vocals are a pre-made loop that you drop in, like the other instruments. Not so much auto-tune as it's filters once the vocals are popped in :)
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