Rick Beato creates a song using Claude and Suno
I know AI topic is beaten to death, but I found this interesting.
I both agree and disagree with some of what he says
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No shite Rick, big fan of Rick but he's looking for clicks.
First off it's easy to make bad music with suno, as easy as it is to make bad music with an out of tune guitar.
So if you set out to write a bad song you'll get your wish.
Secondly, it's not as easy as pressing buttons. Mechanically it is, but musically it's not. Still takes ears. He has them, not using them here to prove a point.
Thirdly, he said the first version wasn't bad, but because the second one was bad, he ran with that.
Love Rick Beato but he's making money from clicks .
And it proves nothing really only that there is nothing so easy to produce than failure.
Lastly, Ive found ai lyrics to be bad, music fares much better.
And if you have a good lyric with emotion and life in it, ai will respond to it.
Rick is stacking the deck, but I am a big fan of his0 -
I would response, but since you already have a negative view of me, I'll just say this. Rick doesn't need the clicks.
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Is he donating the proceeds to music Education?
He needs things to talk about, this is something to talk about, and he keeps adding more ai videos.
Ai topics make money0 -
He's clearly not trying much to write a good song with suno0
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this has nothing to do with the topic.
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The point he is making, is that it doesn't take much to create a song. whether you think it's good or bad, is immaterial. He's only showing what some people. do. create let Suno, ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, etc. create the lyrics, then post them into Suno and let Suno generate the song. I don't think A lot of what I hear on the radio, there was a lot of time spent futzing. It sounds to me, on a lot of these, they went with the first take. the lyrics don't make sense, and the quality isn't there.
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I disagree, you wrote ..."I'll just say this. Rick doesn't need the clicks.
My answer of.. Is he donating the proceeds to music Education?
He needs things to talk about, this is something to talk about, and he keeps adding more ai videos.
Ai topics make money
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I disagree with this too .
"The point he is making, is that it doesn't take much to create a song. whether you think it's good or bad, is immaterial. He's only showing what some people. do. create let Suno, ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, etc. create the lyrics, then post them into Suno and let Suno generate the song. I don't think A lot of what I hear on the radio, there was a lot of time spent futzing. It sounds to me, on a lot of these, they went with the first take. the lyrics don't make sense, and the quality isn't there'
My point is his smug look, coming right up front saying this music sucks. Is him supporting his own theory . Then just grab a lyric , throw it into suno, and then say it sucks
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Well yeah it can and will suck.
If your going to declare something sucks give it an honest try.
Or simply entitle the video...look how easy it is to create a song...
I mean suno advertises it with that same exact line0 -
I thought the songs were pretty good
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I find it odd that all four songs start with a strumming acoustic guitar. If you ran four lyrics through suno they would not all have same structure or instruments unless you programmed it to do so.
He's right in that it's using other people's work, but all music does that.
Classical composers all stole from each other.
to me the main problem is that it's using other singers vocals, sounds , production wise, I don't think it can be the final product.
i think it's already obvious that people don't care or won't know if ai created a song.
Nobody cared that the old school printer business was gone when computers did it cheap.
i think people will watch ai TV shows and movies.
They will still watch humans too, all that will matter is if it's any good0 -
All these sites keep going round and a round and beating a dead horse , AI is here to stay and no one is stopping it
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The music on radio these days is much worse than even a fully ai song. That's a big reason why, if the music was good they'd be listening0
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I guess
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This thread isn't about rick bashing or the quality of what rick produced., which was for demonstration purposes only. I'm sure with musical talents which spans decades, can come up with something much better. Or whether or not AI should stay or go. The point was purely about monetization. Should AI bands like Velvet Sundown be able to monetize their tracks. His answer is no, which I agree with since the music isn't 100% theirs and is based solely on weighted averages and percentages of sampling copyrighted songs without the owner's permission. The part I disagree with is that is assumption that anybody can just pick up a musical instrument and learn how to play.
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But nobody owns chord progression, nobody owns sound, they do own their own vocals and melodies. I agree with not being allowed to use their vocal likeness
But the reality is , all music is derived from other music. The idea that were infringing on these artists is silly.
The Stones stole a good majority of work from the black bluesmen and so did led Zeppelin
Picasso said good artists borrow, great artists steal.
The difference is here they are taking actual performances and vocals from other artists, id say thats fair to argue that.
But every melody and chord progression has already been done.
That's why ai works so well it's better at stealing than humans are .
Heres a thought, bring back great music and nobody will care about ai.
I haven't heard ai write a hotel California or a bohemian Rhapsody.
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In 1992 Utah Saints' song Something Good used a sample of Kate Bush's song Cloudbusting, of which they rec'd permission before they used it.
This is a very simplistic explanation of the process as the actual process is much more complicated than this, especially when you start sampling lyrics.:
What Suno and the other generative AI programs are doing is beyond using standard chord progression to build the songs. What they have done is sampled millions of copyrighted songs stripped of the owner and song title and used the track to assign weights to specific attributes. then sort those weights highest to lowest. For example, this is for example only, if a common chord progression used in a million country songs are C-G-D7, then it gets a score of 10. If the common time signature is 4/4 that gets a 10, pentatonic scale - 10. The same with the bass patterns, drum patterns, melodies and vocal patterns. so that when you say you want a basic country song, it then gives you randomized output based on those datapoints. Even though the final song isn't an exact copy of the original, an original copyrighted song was used without the permission of the owner.
When a band "covers" another band's song, they usually give credit and have some form of licensing agreement. What Suno and the others have done is bypassed that and have blatantly used the song.
The point of Rick's topic is, should AI bands be able to monetize songs that is not 100% theirs as it's based on entirely of copyrighted songs used without permission of the owners. He says no, and I agree.
I use Suno, but I don't monetize my songs. I have not made any money on any of my songs. And going forward, it's not likely i'll be posting any more songs on audius or soundcloud, until I can start creating my own in a DAW. I'll still use suno as it's fun to see what the algorithm comes up with.
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It's a fair question. For me I see what I'm doing now as a demo for me.
I eventually will do all or as much as I can only using ai as a band to support me.
The money part, if any of us are fortunate enough to make anything, I'd gladly give up half as my role in lyrics.
The bigger concern is the artists themselves, they have a beef.
Copyright laws are not set in stone, with ai. Or any music.
The only true way to protect your work is to have a hit with it. Not much of a chance beating somebody big in court even with copyright0 -
You can't use even partially created AI music to monetize, on platforms like YouTube, I've seen a few disclaimers on YouTube content, that says their music is either fully or partially AI and they make no money off if it.
Soundcloud is also revamping their AI policy and is starting to tag AI generated music.
Spotify is now under pressure to also revamp, because of the issue around Velvet Sundown.
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With his considerable musical skills, IF Rick Beato had worked at creating a better song instead of just creating an artificial A.I. lyric from one source and letting Suno add music, he could have created an impressive song. I (and many others) have listened to hundreds of Suno songs to see how others were creating something worth hearing, evaluating the instructions they gave to Suno, and how they managed to get the right cadence and pace, listening to the impact of combining different genres and just plain figuring out how to NOT get generic crap from it. It's insulting that Rick even thinks (much less says) that what he did here is in any indicative of what the technology is capable of. He wouldn't have had to spend the hundreds of hours of listening and learning that I (and many others) spent. He could have spent an hour listeing until he heard something that would be useful for the lyric he had, and looked at how they did it and copied the parts that were compatible with what he's doing. If he had made that tiny investment of time, and just COPIED the setup he saw, he could have created something that he wouldn't have needed to label "it sucks." AND, I just can't imagine that (with Rick's contacts) there was no where to get a real lyric from and work from that. The whole thing was just a meaningless slap at A.I. that produced no value in the conversation in my opinion. If Rick wanted to invest more than an hour into listening to Suno, he could have found ten or twelve songs there that were more artistic, more listenable, and more imaginative than what he did.
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nvm. i'll just let this go. you guys have completely missed the point of the exercise. 🤣
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The velvet sundown are not very good lol. It's just that people know they are ai, and it's fascinating.
Whoever is behind it will end up making money, one way or another.
@ hardtwistnusic, 100%. Rick could probably create something much better than what's on the radio, by trying .
For me, sometimes get lucky and first few takes does it, most times I've gone through 100 takes, and each section could take 25-30 takes0 -
@Domd whoever behind it did make money, something like ~$34,000.
@Domd @Hardtwistmusic Rick's point was that anybody can just simply use AI generated lyrics and music. He wasn't approaching it from the standpoint of he, himself making music, but how quickly somebody can put together schlock and put it out there as valid music and make money off of it. Which he thought, shouldn't be monetized. That was his point, and I agree with that.
You guys want to so badly bag on rick, that you comically missed his point. Rick actually has talent. he doesn't need to use AI. If I had even 1/4 of rick's talent, and had the ability to play any instrument, any genre I want, then I wouldn't be using AI either.
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I'm a big fan of Rick, but he shoulda stayed doing " what makes this song great"
You keep telling us what his point was. Regardless if his point, he said this music sucks, as a click bait headline. And all his followers going along with him.
MY point, in response to this video, is that if he worked on it, he couldn't and wouldn't say this music sucks, and couldn't and wouldn't say, look how easy it is .
It's easy to do, but to get good results it takes more, and work.
Right now the comments on Rick's video and velvet sundown are all mockery.
But if they didn't know, they would think it's just another song and nobody would be drawn to it
Just mention AI and it draws viewers. Rick is just bringing home the bacon0 -
His point people are making money of crappy music that is not theirs to monetize. Yes, he could have created something wonderful. Rick doesn't need click bait. Rick does very well. I'm getting the impression that your rick bashing is a result of him being successful, and you're not.
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And you know his point how?0
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Somebody whose as successful as Rick, won't be submitting lyrics for review on a songwriting forum.
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Well, I can only speak for me,but I wasn't saying he was.
He built his audience on musicianship , and it's so obvious he is appealing to that audience.
We get it, he's not happy about ai.
It's not something that's easily understood, yet.
Every comment in the comments is mocking the ai song.
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Oh, he understands it, that's not the problem.
If you take a step back and look at it from both sides, you'll see his and other's point. It's not fair on the musicians who put their heart and soul into a piece only to have it sampled, used and monetized without them reaping anything from it. They don't get residuals, nor do they get credit.
And that song should be mocked, it's not a quality song. the lyrics are cheesy, and the musicality isn't that great. I would have redone it.
My main source of music I listen to know is purely YouTube. I haven't listened to radio in over 5 years. There have been a number of times a song would pop up in a playlist that was as bad as that one. The lyrics were clearly generated by AI, most likely 100% Suno. And the artist, didn't even bother to clean it up. They just went with it. They lyrics were something like - I lick blood off a tree because my eyes fells free, something like that.
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Yes it should be mocked, it does stink. But it implies that ai generated songs all suck. Even In it's infancy, it's good enough to make people accept it, UNLESS, they are told before how to react...as in this song sucks!0
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That's because a majority of them do suck, including my own. I've gone back and listened to some of my earlier creations and think, this sucks.. Like my song the chamber, out of 45 views it has 25 likes.. i'm not sure what 25 people hear, because what I hear is it's not good.
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